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No, If you see me using an em-dash, is not because I’m an AI — it just happens that BÉPO keyboards have it easily accessible.

Follow up question. Do you ever noticed I don’t use typewriter apostrophes and quotation marks (' and ") but proper typographic ones (’ and “”) ?

@Sylvhem Tu aurais pu intituler ton sondage « Follow up question: are you a typography nerd? »

@ashiel Oui blob_uwu.

It’s funny to me people don’t notice that. I usually see it right away, and when it’s in a game or a book, in throw my sense of æsthetics off :’).

@Sylvhem I didn’t notice but also I do use typographic apostrophes for the same reason as you lol

@Siph I knew we were same minded fellows blob_uwu.

@Sylvhem I must say it's the kind of the thing I'm usually attentive; but in that specific case the difference is too difficult for me to see due to my bad sight.

@Sylvhem je n’avais pas remarqué, mais pour les guillemets ça vient aussi du fait que selon les polices, et a fortiori sur un petit écran/avec un affichage en petits caractères la différence n’est pas forcément super marquée.
… et aussi, je crois que l’apostrophe par défaut est la bonne chez la plupart des gens ? Ça dépend des claviers évidemment.

@PeryleneBleu Non, l’apostrophe par défaut est la bonne chez les utilisateur·rice·s des produits Apple uniquement :’).

@Sylvhem

I noticed but I don't care because you know, that's not what's important to me anymore (and this is literally the kind of things I studied for years). Also, accessibility.

@lila_bliblu Yeah I know. What do you mean by “also, accessibility”?

@Sylvhem oh. Intéressant.

@Sylvhem

If people are not using it, it may be because it's not something they actually know how to use. It's not something they learned, or something easy to find on a keyboard. That's one part of the "accessibility" thing.

If I can still understand the meaning of the text, I don't care about the "right" way to write it. I was this awful person correcting people on the internet many years ago about spelling mistakes and how you need to write correctly and now, this is over. Another part. Also, I hope people with disabilities can have good screen readers or other tools to understand easily what's written. Another part.

@lila_bliblu Oh yeah.

Notice I’m not correcting anyone here.

@Sylvhem @PeryleneBleu Attend, sur les systèmes Apple, les claviers produisent l’apostrophe typographique par défaut??

@melunaka Je crois. Au moins sur iOS. C’est pour ça que tu vois de plus en plus d’apostrophes typographiques un peu partout.

@PeryleneBleu

@Sylvhem @PeryleneBleu Tant mieux c’est très cool pour que les logiciels gèrent ça mieux, mais j’aurais pas pensé qu’Apple ferait ça.

@melunaka @Sylvhem @PeryleneBleu oui, c'est configurable par langue plus que par clavier. Mais c'est parce qu'à l'origine c'est des gros nerds de typo chez Apple.

@ombremad C’est parfait 👌.

@melunaka @PeryleneBleu

@Sylvhem I don't usually give attention to this. But now that you're talking about it, there's something I always wondered about this: where does the idea of ’ being a “more typographic” character than ' to use for an apostrophe comes from, knowing that their unicode names say the exact opposite? 🤔

https://symbl.cc/en/0027/
https://symbl.cc/en/2019/

@Sylvhem Voted “I didn’t” but mostly because you don’t seem to use them all that much? Whereas I tend to use quotes a lot to disambiguate because I hate ambiguity x)

@melunaka Oh really? I feel like I use them all the time.

@elzen It’s because ' was the character used on typewriter as the stand-in for various characters like the apostrophe (its main use case), but also the prime symbol, the opening and closing single quotation marks, etc.

@Sylvhem Yeah, I know ' is used to too much things, including single quotation marks. But, precisely, ‘ is a quotation mark (a closing one, complementary to ‘), while being an apostrophe is the basic purpose of ', according to their unicode specification at least.
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@elzen Yeah but the description of characters in Unicode are not always comprehensive.

@elzen @Sylvhem
Whereas the correct character should be U+02BC x)
https://tedclancy.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/which-unicode-character-should-represent-the-english-apostrophe-and-why-the-unicode-committee-is-very-wrong/

But otherwise it’s simply closer to how we write the apostrophe AKF:
https://practicaltypography.com/apostrophes.html

But then I wonder why we have ¨ but not a symbol for the umlaut that is closer to " in writing. Anyway…

@melunaka @Sylvhem Thanks for the links!

A bit strange that the first one suggests U+02BC “because it has apostrophe in his name” while it also has “modifier letter” in it, which gives a really different purpose, and while U+0027 has explicitly “apostrophe” with nothing more as a name, isn't it? ^^"

(Unicode is full of weirdness, BTW, but here I'd say the simplest choice would be the best matching one. But that's just my own choice for when I'm the one typing, of course otherwise, I'm just curious about why people chose something else.)

@elzen It’s because U+0027 is the ASCII character, so really it’s both an apostrophe and a quote.

@melunaka

@Sylvhem
My SO sometimes uses ` instead of '
Because her keyboard is buggy and it's easier. blob_cat_oh_no