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@davidrevoy re: your text description. thats a qipao/cheongsam (same garment different Chinese language) actually, not a kimono.
@davidrevoy Gorgeous! Almost wants to make me use Pleroma... but only almost. 😉
@davidrevoy I love when you draw FOSS & related mascots. They're so cool. 
@EffToyz Hehe, no problem. I see what you mean: the thumbnailer of my blog center x and center y before doing a 16:9 crop, and it resulted in https://www.davidrevoy.com/ ... Probably your instance had same cropping settings 😆
I remember suggesting Pleroma-tan to you during Le Capitol Du Libre 2019, glad seeing it
@duponin Oh yes, I remember it too. I had many request for her. That was the year you recorded the interview?
Next one, maybe Sara the elf, OpenGameArt mascot ☺️ https://opengameart.org/content/sara-wizard
@oct2pus Ha, thanks for checking and reporting. Sorry my poor vocabulary.
Now I see that with the accurate vocabulary, I could have found so many more cool ref. 😅
💙 😉@szkodnix Oh, why not. I was thinking of Sara (OpenGameArt) but probably not this autumn because the planning is really dense.
Do you know a good place where I can see the artworks done so far and the license of Ai ? I can still collect them in a directory and bookmark links, that will be a first step.
Les couleurs sont extraordinaires et le regard est vraiment fort !!! Merci beaucoup !!! 
Ça serait vraiment extraordinaire de pouvoir l'utiliser au sein du projet, d'autres développeurs sont intéressés aussi, mais il faut qu'on trouve où ! 
@helene Merci! Et ça me ferait plaisir de la voir rattachée au projet. Ne serait-ce que dans une gallerie dédié à Pleroma-tan, ou un wiki. ☺️
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org From what I see, most of arts are gathered on one page: https://藍.moe/
Also check "aiart" hashtag 😉
it was that same year. Would you like the record? (didn’t I sent you the link or anything?
)@duponin Oh I remember I listened to it already. No need to listen again, I have a bit the voice mail syndrome while hearing my own voice 😆
Elfie 
@Elfie You probably can't understand the need for a CW warning. I see that because you can't say a nice thing about the art and move on without using an insult. Poor social skills.
It would probably need you to meet more humans, collaborate with others, and feel the diversity and differences in this world to start seeing this usage as something thoughtful.
I hope you'll remember this message when you'll be more mature.
I need to socialize more?
Coming from someone who feels threatened by drawings who appear to be looking at a screen?
Being tired of nonsensical social etiquette doesn't imply poor social skills, it only implies weariness, something I have plenty of
I'm not going to pretend being fearful of drawings isn't stupid, because it is and it should be obvious that it is, there's a clear difference between personal preferences and neuroticism
It's a personal preference to dislike nsfw drawings, it's respectable and it should be respected, but disliking drawings who appear to look at the screen is just neurotic
You can't ask others to abide by things that only you understand
> Coming from someone who feels threatened by drawings who appear to be looking at a screen?
I painted it, 4h30 staring at it: I don't feel threatened by it...
I just have enough empathy to understand it can be a big issue dealing with that for a part (even tiny) of my audience.
> You can't ask others to abide by things that only you understand
I never asked you or anyone to do anything. However, you started by insulting my communication practice. You abide other... Please go away.
While I agree that this seems childish (I'm probably closer to your culture than to @Elfie@bae.st's), maturity seems to be an insufficient perspective: we probably have similar signals that look obvious and important for us while others just roll their eyes at our sensibilities and are shocked or even appalled by our strong reactions.
@patrick Sure. And what's your point?
If someone is shocked or has eye-rolling at my communication style, does that give them free card to insult it? 😅
But props to you for assuming the least worst reason for the behavior :-)
@ic3l9 Why should I have empathy for someone starting a discussion by insulting me or my communication style? I'm not a doormat. Why you would expect that?..
Of course, if they would have explained to me in a polite way that the presence of the "CW (eye-contact)" triggered their condition and plunged them into a deep discomfort that prevented them to enjoy following my art, we could have found a constructive discussion to find a way. Simple
@ic3l9 Mm... You just plugged into this discussion a "to us" and "to you" larger groups and attached a set of global behaviors to the said groups (of course, one true/friendly, another one mean/toxic where you did put me on the fly, because "why not"). All of this reductive and essentialist work extrapolated from a toot discussion. For what final goal? To force me to say "thank you" in return for an insult.
Sorry to disappoint, but it is not gonna happen.
Choices of words matter. Calling something “faggotry”, especially when the said something is respect and careness, just can't be friendly at all, and isn't a way to express being legitimately offended. That's just a way to express you consider other people as trash.
What I was pointing is that “faggot” is, by default, a term aiming homosexuals in a pejorative way. It may probably be used in a friendly way *when there's no risk of misinterpretation between the people talking*. Which can't be the case when you're publicly talking to people you don't know.
Here, the use of “faggotry” both insults David's careness, and explain to all homosexual people reading it that they're still hated. It may not be what you or Elfie want to do, but it's *the way most people around here would read it*.
If you comes from circles in where insults are something friendly, well, I've nothing against that. But the one forgetting the whole Internet hasn't to accept specific codes here isn't David, it's you.
before mastodon became popular, there was a short period of time during which people saying "faggot" casually (e.g. channer types, gamergaters etc.) were a dominant group on the "fediverse" and their manners shaped the form of discourse. at that time, pleroma was highly experimental software, but in those circles it was highly regarded because unlike gnusocial, the then-majority software, outdated and barely maintained anymore, it was new, not written in php, etc. mastodon was nothing back then. eventually, mastodon was promoted by some tech journalists as an alternative to twitter and lots of people used to the moderator-enforced standards of discourse from twitter. there was a huge culture shock leading to people "defederating" their instances from one another, hashtag fediblock is from that time. at the time, pleroma matured quickly, and when mastodon ditched ostatus (the predecessor of activitypub) people had to abandon gnusocial and move to pleroma. at the time, running pleroma was considered "siding with the fascists" by some, and so it became kind of a symbol of the edgy teenagers who wouldn't cave in to "political correctness". this and their fondness for anime and manga is the reason why pleroma-tan is such a popular character. her history is littered with terms like "faggotry". so don't be surprised when artwork ends up in those circles and is commented on following those laws of discussion. and don't expect to be able to displace that culture from the fediverse, it moved here specifically to make that impossible.
Mastodon's history is irrelevant here. What is relevant is how the people around you will understand your words. If those people are the whole fediverse users, then you just can't expect them to have learned your own ways to talk, and then if there's misunderstandings, the one to blame is you.
Intentionally or not, Elfie's message was insulting. David feeled legitimally insulted, and lecturing him about that is just a bad move. Maybe you can't accept that, but you can't change it. So, mute and move on yourself, thanks.
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Why would I want to offend someone I don't give a shit about? Have you stopped to think about that
I don't know who anon is, I don't care who anon is and I will never care, so then why would I seek to offend someone's whose existence is as dubious as that of god himself?
Perhaps you can read my mind and know exactly the intention behind my every action, or perhaps you just want to get mad at a literal nobody, in any case do yourself a favor, touch grass and chill
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Are you really so petty that you need to have the last word when talking online?
The best argument against "offended" people is that their every intention can be read by strangers
You act the way you act because something in your life is missing and you look for it online, that's where "rules only you understand" comes from, because you seek people to catter to your very personal emotional needs that nobody but yourself should know
You actually got nervous and angry enough to seek a "last word" in this thread and I shouldn't know this, nobody should know this, but you're so invested on this digital nonsense that's become a second reality
Tl;dr touch grass
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BTW, it's interresting to see how you both need a lot of (wrong) assumptions to express your positions (that I'm using Mastodon, coming from Twitter, that I don't know about the fediverse's history, that I act differently online and AFK, that I'm coming nervous and angry…), while mine just depend on what you actually *said*, and not about what I'm guessing about you.
I just wanted to explain that it was a bad choice of word for a public intervention, as it insults a lot of people and contributes to spread very problematics clichés. And I was answering to that just because you didn't seem to understand, so I wanted to try again, as I may not always be clear.
Now, it's pretty obvious that the problem doesn't come from me, but from the fact you just don't care about the fact your words are insulting. So, ok, fine, assume them and continue to offend people, I'm no one to change that. And feel free to add any “last words” you want, as it looks like something important for you to notice (never understood that part). I just hope, like David did, you'll remember this conversation when you'll start being aware of the results of your talking.
Is the problematic cliche that gay people are unbearably toxic, hysterical and plague bearers? And that no matter where in the world you are it's always the same?
I like how you complain about assumptions but then assume I behave in real life the same way I do digitally, I know you do but I don't, I learned that long ago
You're still missing the point that words on a screen shouldn't matter to you because they mean literally nothing, your whole problem is that I don't wanna talk the way you want me too, and what makes think your opinion at all matters?
You're so up your own ass that can't even understand the silliness of the situation, that a literal nobody wants to police the speech of random internet people
Are you really so starved of attention and self steem that you need to find it on the internet, pretending anyone cares about your thoughts any more than they do in your own life?
I'll save you time and I'll tell you now, nobody cares and nobody will care
You can't ask for respect without giving anything in return, respect is earned through actions digital or otherwise, or in rare cases through your sheer personality alone, your charisma
@ic3l9
And the problematic cliché is that being gay is something pejorative, which is exactly what “faggotry” means. Nothing more, nothing less. You still continuing to come up with any elucubration that can evade the issue won't change anything about it.
But, you point here an interresting difference between us: you think respect is something that have to be earned. I think respect is something due to everybody as a human being. This probably explain a lot of our disagreement here.
"Respect is something due to everyone as human beings"
Hsve you ever left your home? It sounds as though you never walked the street or as if you live in a extremely sheltered community
Are you a young kid perhaps? You don't sound like one but you certainly make extremely naive talking points
If you've ever had friends or worked with others you would have realised respect is earned, what respect could you have towards a friend who treats you horribly?
"I respect his choice to puke in my bed and piss on the sink, not what I would have done but I respect it"
Or better yet
"He hasn't come to work nor answered my calls in a month but I respect his choices and I'll keep paying his salary"
This is stuff you learn in school dude, did you as a kid thought making the work of a whole group was respectable and just did it anyways? If you did props to you but that's extremely odd behaviour
But as you're still trying to come up with anything to evade the issue rather than facing it, I guess we won't go any further here. Stay as hateful as you want, I won't interfere more in it.
(Always open to discuss again if you change your mind some day.)
@creamqueen Yes, It helps a tiny fraction of my audience with autism spectrum disorders who feel really uncomfortable with pictures featuring eye contact (check Wikipedia for more sources/info about it).
By putting a CW, it allows them to prepare themselves for eye contact before clicking.
I wish a better system existed to metadata upfront a post with 'eye contact' and let each profile set their preferences about it. But without that, the workaround is to use the CW + eye contact keyword.
@creamqueen It's pretty coward to insult a real name and identity from the comfort of an anonymous account.